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Daniel Owen Lynch's avatar

Principles are not a weakness. Ever. Though I confess they may seem like it at times.

Suppose, for example, a principle of war is that we do not fire on vehicles marked with the Red Cross or Crescent. But suppose there is a group of people whose scruples are not the same as ours, and they use vehicles marked with Red Crosses/Crescents to transport healthy and armed combatants to do their thing. Suppose further that it is discovered that the one group is actually doing this, so the group with higher scruples begins targeting such vehicles. If there are in fact sick/injured in those vehicles, and those sick/injured are killed by this targeting, those deaths are on the hands of the group that is using them as transport for healthy combatants.

It would be useful to examine other historical examples for guidance. In the battles of Saipan and Okinawa, Allied forces witnessed (or found the evidence of) thousands of civilians who'd committed suicide rather than surrender. IJA soldiers were sent into suicidal bonsai charges where the only possible outcome was that they were going to be obliterated. Their outcome was not in question, only the number of Americans they were going to take with them was.

The allies estimated that if they were going to invade Honshu, there were probably going to be a million of their own killed, and untold millions more Japanese who would also die over the course of a year or two in standard land warfare - either directly from gunfire/bombs, or indirectly via starvation and illness as they were deprived of food and resources which would be destroyed in the fighting anyway. The outcome, the fall of Japan, was inevitable. We can navel-gaze all day long about how many people would have actually died, but it was certain to be an insanely large number, well north of 1 million souls.

This was all part of the calculus used when we decided to drop 2 nukes. Perhaps 300,000 people died directly from those blasts. A horrible number, to be certain, but less horrible than the alternative.

If there is such a thing as a just war, and I submit that there is, it is incumbent on the defenders to prosecute the war to its most rapid conclusion, which will almost certainly lead to fewer deaths overall.

At 6'6", 230 lbs and at 55 yoa, I'm in very good health, and work out. And I know how to fight, and am proficient in the use of firearms. If some 5'6" and 130 lb dope fiend threatens me with violence (and clearly is unarmed), I'll probably slap the shit out of him, bind him down, and wait for the police to show up. If he comes at me with a club/knife/firearm, I'm gonna fuck his shit up.

This is roughly analogous to what's going on in Israel and Gaza presently. Israel has done everything it can in the last 75 years to make a healthy, robust society. The other side has done what is effectively to hang out in opium dens getting high, eating poorly, and never exercising. And they've pretty much been doing that since 1948.

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Helen Dale's avatar

It is indubitably true that, during WWII, the Western Allies were better behaved in their military conduct than the USSR, Nazi Germany, and Imperial Japan. Fewer atrocities, a determined attempt to adhere to what were then called "the Geneva Conventions" (which concern the conduct of warring parties), and continuing respect for democratic norms despite conflict (Australia had a federal election in 1943, for example).

However, the Western Allies also dropped two atomic weapons on Japan, and destroyed Dresden - an open city, so there were no air raid shelters - with incendiaries. These deeds were done in pursuit of victory against a morally depraved enemy.

I am not suggesting those acts were wrong, or disproportionate, or even legally in error (I don't really believe in international law, because it can't be enforced; the latter is the sine qua non of law).

You are on a moral precipice. But then, we all are.

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