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Holly MathNerd's avatar

I agree that this isn't new, but have parents who were this determined to change the immutable in their children ever been socially elevated to the status of martyrs and heroes before? Quite possible; I claim no depth of historical knowledge.

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HUMDEEDEE's avatar

Completely agree. Your last paragraph summarizes the problem quite well.

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Warmek's avatar

Indeed, and sometimes the religious mortifications become secular. I and my family are not in any way Jewish, but I was nevertheless circumcized shortly after birth anyway.

Madness, indeed.

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HUMDEEDEE's avatar

I am sad to say that my son was circumcised, a decision mine and his father made by ignorantly deferring to the fact that his father was circumcised as is both his and my family's tradition. We are not jewish on either side! I failed to prevent my grandson from also suffering circumcision because I came too late to the wisdom that this custom is not warranted for health reasons, it is a painful physical assault on an innocent child, and in total is unnecessary.

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Helen Dale's avatar

Excellent (& accurate) observation.

Parental units have been complaining about sissy sons and tomboy daughters since forever, even in civilisations where homosexuality was tolerated (Greece & Rome, for example). You'd have Roman parents who tried to turn their sissy son into a gay bear ("maybe he'll join the army!") while encouraging their tomboy daughter to pair up with another woman so they could adopt children.

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Josh Slocum's avatar

Classical 7 year old me would be all like, "Well OK I'll throw a spear or something in your little battle but I gotta motor if I'm gonna have Gaius's toga alterations done in time. He dresses to the left, fyi. Bring me another grape."

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Holly MathNerd's avatar

😂😂😂😂😂

BTW, you KNOW how much I prize my neat, clean, pristine, ready-for-a-photoshoot-at-any-time living space. Guess what you just did, you hilarious queen?

You made me spew Coke Zero all over my extra monitor, my extra reading glasses, and my silver 3D printed Buddha.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

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Josh Slocum's avatar

THAT'S RIGHT BITCH HAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAH

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Toad Worrier's avatar

Now I am trying to imagine in what kind of Toga dressing to the left matters.

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Josh Slocum's avatar

Ghey ones.

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Barbara Wegner's avatar

People follow the path of least resistance for the most part. Society made "gender transition" easy for sure. Also people are likely on GoFundMe right now getting gender things "affirmed" through donations.

Society also made it easy for people to take away our freedom to not wear a mask, take a vaccine, etc. If people resisted the bullies then the bullies would have found something else to do. Every time that someone doesn't say something negative about gender transitioning, it makes it easier for people to keep doing it. The more people speak up the more social pressure there is to stop doing that thing. But people didn't speak up for so long they have so much momentum it will take more resistance to stop them than we're giving out right now.

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HUMDEEDEE's avatar

Very nicely drawn observation. I hadn't looked at it that way, but it makes sense.

Perhaps facile on my part but I also think the smart device, the phone in particular and it's myriad apps for showcasing ourselves in deceptive ways is an integral part of the attention-seeking aspect of human behavior; normalizing and accentuating novelty.

I can't even imagine the degree of narcissism a parent must possess to behave the way this woman is interacting with her child, but I've seen so much of it (not in real life, thank goodness) I can't deny it exists. Children are being used and abused as props for psychologically sick people, mostly women, apparently.

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Holly MathNerd's avatar

Yep. White women are held responsible for every bad thing in society. The left blames them for patriarchy and racism, and emotionally invalidates them to an insane degree (look up Robin DiAngelo or Saira Rao on this--their books are used in DEI trainings everywhere). The right blames them for the ascendancy of the left. White mothers are transing their kids as a path to the moral virtue of martyrdom and being on "the right side of history." I suspect the vast majority are consciously unaware of what they're doing, which is no excuse. Just more evidence of how fucked up everything is.

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HUMDEEDEE's avatar

The white women who are garnering the blame are products of progressive dogma taught in propaganda courses with names ending in "Studies". If they ever had a moral compass or common sense both were expunged after 8 years of brainwashing. These women are a scourge upon humanity, predominantly children and men.

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Holly MathNerd's avatar

I have dozens of emails attesting to the fact that I am included in the set of white women ruining the world, and nothing you've said here is true of me.

Edited to add: although I often feel like it is, and fear that it is, true of me that I'm a scourge upon humanity. Perhaps I am. I have to allow for the possibility that you're right.

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HUMDEEDEE's avatar

Of course it isn't, and I know that. I was speaking specifically of the women who give women like you and me and many women, a bad name... like the women who narcissistically use/abuse their children to grab "I follow the latest thing" points, and worse, if there is anything worse.

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Holly MathNerd's avatar

I'm not so sure. Dozens of people on the right regard me as one of these narcissistic bitches ruining the world. Some have written lengthy treatises, complete with footnotes, explaining this to me. Likewise I am of course included in the set of white women the left blames for everything. They hold the same view of me that you do of the women you critique here, just from a mirror image.

It's entirely possible that they are, to some extent, right.

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