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As someone who leans Libertarian the phrase "but what if ________ goes to far" is never far from my political and socio-economic calculus. It's a question that is valid to ask about how governments act as all too often many future actions of a government is very much determined by what they were able to do or get away with in the past, but it is also driven by context to an insane degree that many do not want to think about because it is so easy, for people on both sides, to stop with that initial statement.

"But what if the fire bombing goes to far?" had to be asked about Tokyo and Dresden, but the calculus there involved prolonging the most bloody war in history by months if not years and the deaths of millions as opposed to hundreds of thousands as well as potentially handing more political and military clout to the USSR which was quickly becoming as much of a problem as the Nazi's had been.

"But what if the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki goes to far" had to be asked to end the Pacific Theater, but every scrap of evidence we had from the invasion of Iwo Jima and Okinawa showed that the Japanese Government would literally march their people off the cliffs if it meant harming US troops and showing the fanaticism of their beliefs. Even the conservative numbers said the USA would loose almost as many soldiers invading the home islands as they had in the entire Pacific Theater up to that point, almost 150,000 men dead and many more injured. The war department had already minted over a million purple hearts in anticipation of the unprecedented casualties and injuries that would come about from such an invasion.

That same kind of context shows, in my opinion, that while the Palestinians can perhaps be saved, and I hope they are, and some kind of peace come about, Hamas and its supporters cannot; and right now the simple arithmetic of warfare is that it will demand the deaths of thousands to hopefully spare many, many times more down the road. It sucks, it runs against what I would hope the world could function like, but that doesn't change the facts of what we can see. The simple answer is that, even accounting for the things Israel has done over the last few decades that have made things harder for the Palestinians, there is a simple set of questions one can ask. If Israel controlled all the territory, which they want to do make no mistake, would their still be Palestinians? Yes there already are Palestinians living in Israel and even holding elected office and living as citizens of Israel. If Palestine/Hamas controlled all the territory, which they have also claimed they want to do, would their still be Israelis? No there would not be, not if they could help it based on their rhetoric.

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oclemon's avatar

Thank you for your moral clarity.

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